2016 Championship Points

[oldmuscle69]

So the updated points are now current or do we wait,just asking since we only have two more.

[Mincharlie]

Good news Dewitt and Jon, I will get to run the last two events! Even thought I won't be eligible for the championship should make a good run to the finish. See you at Odessa!

[dewittpayne]

Dan,

From my point of view, that's good to know. If you win, it helps me. I won't be at Adesa, though. I'm working a corner at the F1 in Austin that weekend.

[jcox07]

I have gotten the times from the computer for event 7 and Jon's times for Saturday were a 59.793, 60.360, 59.471, 58.904 and his 60.360 would be his drop and his raw time from the 3 are 178.168 and his pax was 149.482. Dewitts times from Sunday were 56.109, 57.876, 59.873, 56.984 and his drop would have been the 59.873 for a raw time of 170.969 and a pax of 143.442 and Brian was on Sunday a 54.860, 54.131, 54.250, 53.742 and his drop would have been the 54.860 for a raw time of 162.123 and a pax of 135.210 and Jon on sunday would have got Dewitt's slowest time of the three plus 10 seconds which would have been a 57.876 plus 10 so a 67.876 times 3 is a raw 203.628 and a pax of 170.843 so 2 day total on pax for Jon was 320.325, Dewitt got Jon's slowest time plus 10 so a 59.793 plus 10 is a 69.793 times 3 for a raw of 209.379 and a pax of 175.668 for a 2 day total pax of 319.110 and Brian would have gotten the same as dewitt raw of 209.379 and a pax of 174.622 for a two day pax of 309.832. So Brian wins with a pax of 309.832 and Dewitt gets second with a 319.110 and Jon gets 3rd with a 320.325. These are the reults from event 7 for cam. Once the solo committee rules on this one way or the other we will post up.

[dewittpayne]

I thought the 58.904 time for Jon on Saturday was the raw time and there was a two cone penalty. That's the one time that shows up in the final result.

[jcox07]

I got the times form Brian that were in the computer.

[jcoatney]

Now it's getting interesting. The winner won't be decided until the last race.

Dan, I ain't skeered. My plan is to park next to you and give you a door ding so your head won't be in the game.

[dewittpayne]

Don't you have to use the slowest time, including drops? I would also argue that the overall slowest time on either day, 60.360, is the one to use for everyone.

[dewittpayne]

Well, it's how we did RallyX scoring when I was timing chief for our national event in 2013. The reason I know this is because there was a Neon that broke and missed some runs on Saturday, so he received a time on subsequent runs that was much slower than his capability (+10 seconds) but came back to win the event.

Look at PF class on the below results. Slowest time was 69.884. So the slowest time in class +10 was 79.884. The Neon never started those runs. There is no mechanism for a DNS in RallyX.

http://www.etrscca.org/rallycrossresult ... _fin2d.htm

I've been looking at RallyX rules. I haven't been able to find where it says that a DNS will be scored as the slowest time in class plus 10 seconds. The closest I found was that in the event of a mechanical problem, a driver can complete his runs in a different car. Otherwise, there's the gate penalty of 10 seconds and a cone penalty of 2 seconds and no dropped runs for a Divisional or above RallyX. In the PF class results for the Dixie National, I see several times that were slower than 69.884. If that's something that you put in the supplementary regulations, then it wasn't in the supps for the Bristol SEDIV event. To put it another way, if you can drop runs, it also isn't RallyCross scoring.

SCCA RallyCross Rules 5.1 C:

An additional time penalty if so specified in the supplementary regulations may be charged for any uncorrected deviation from the course or for unnecessarily delaying the event.(my emphasis)

[dewittpayne]

More deceased equine flogging:

I found the Washington DC region 2016 RallyCross Supplementary Regulations. I haven't found anything for ETR, but I haven't looked for SEDIV supps.

WDCR uses a bogey time for a DNF of slowest time in run group and class of 15 seconds.

But more to the point:

To be eligible for championship points a competitor must start the same number of runs as other competitors in that class and/or as provided by the organizers for that event. Example: A competitor who is the only competitor in that class for that event will not be awarded championship points if he/she is not able to complete all runs provided by the organizer for that event and will be assigned a 6/6 DNF for any runs not completed. (emphasis added)

So not awarding points is not unprecedented. But I guess we're playing this one by ear.

[jcoatney]

If it's that important to you to win by default Dewitt then we can just drop it. I didn’t bring this back up to cause a lot of work for other members in the club. I thought I had points for this to make my 7 events. If I had noticed and addressed it earlier and I was deemed wrong, I would have made it to the last event to win it. It's not that big of a deal and I really don't want anyone else to have to spend any more time on it. I know everyone has better things to do.

[John Brown]

If it's that important to you to win by default Dewitt then we can just drop it. I didn’t bring this back up to cause a lot of work for other members in the club. I thought I had points for this to make my 7 events. If I had noticed and addressed it earlier and I was deemed wrong, I would have made it to the last event to win it. It's not that big of a deal and I really don't want anyone else to have to spend any more time on it. I know everyone has better things to do.

not me!

Im happy being on the other side of the fence ..for once!

now, lets dig deep!! lets determine a winner here!!!

[michael.plaster]

My plan is to park next to you and give you a door ding so your head won't be in the game.

Haha! Calm down, Satan.

[dewittpayne]

Jon,

What's important to me are rules. Either we have them or we make them up as we go along.

I was told in no uncertain terms by JY on Sunday at Bristol that neither you nor I would get championship points for the event. You claim he told you something different on Saturday. Invoking RallyCross scoring rules (allowing dropped runs makes that moot anyway) that aren't even published, as far as I can tell, at this late date, not to mention changing published final results long after any rational protest period has expired, is making stuff up as we go along.

I didn't hold a gun to your head and make you miss the first four events, winning any one of which would likely have sewed up the championship for you. That was your decision. The fact that none of us had championship points for event #7 was not a secret either. If it's biting you in the a$$ now, that's not my fault.

If things go in your favor, I'll be rooting for Dan at Adesa and will make an effort to make my car quieter so I can run at Pellissippi and maybe drop one of my lower scores, but it will also definitely affect what choices I make for next year.

[John Brown]

Jon,

What's important to me are rules. Either we have them or we make them up as we go along.

I was told in no uncertain terms by JY on Sunday at Bristol that neither you nor I would get championship points for the event. You claim he told you something different on Saturday. Invoking RallyCross scoring rules (allowing dropped runs makes that moot anyway) that aren't even published, as far as I can tell, at this late date, not to mention changing published final results long after any rational protest period has expired, is making stuff up as we go along.

I didn't hold a gun to your head and make you miss the first four events, winning any one of which would likely have sewed up the championship for you. That was your decision. The fact that none of us had championship points for event #7 was not a secret either. If it's biting you in the a$$ now, that's not my fault.

If things go in your favor, I'll be rooting for Dan at Adesa and will make an effort to make my car quieter so I can run at Pellissippi and maybe drop one of my lower scores, but it will also definitely affect what choices I make for next year.

Ill just leave this right here,and not say a word.

.....shit, cant do it.

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