STM and nationals questions.
STM and nationals questions.
So the car I just traded for has 300# of weight in it to make class weight. I was thinking about losing the weight and running STM. Does it have to be street legal. Also what do you guys run when you go to a national even. Thanks.
*Chad Summey*
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Re: STM and nationals questions.
Have to make it eligible for a national class to run a national event. I have 30-35# of weight on the kart to make it legal. Suck it up buttercup and just do it all heavy like
::Edit:: STM is not a national class. We allowed it for the BMS Match Tour last year since it was also to be regional points event. STM folks didn't show up...
::Edit:: STM is not a national class. We allowed it for the BMS Match Tour last year since it was also to be regional points event. STM folks didn't show up...
Ted V.
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Re: STM and nationals questions.
This is totally personal opinion but I think STM is a tough sell for the national events this year...especially the champ tour
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Chris Harp
2009 Mazda RX-8 | 2018 Toyota Tundra | 2011 BMW M3
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Re: STM and nationals questions.
I will read the rules again. I guess it is either XP or EM. XP has a better pax and I think the same weight.
*Chad Summey*
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Re: STM and nationals questions.
Not sure if vote was taken but the consensus was NO STM this year since none of these will be counted towards ETR points. ..last year STM was a bust.
Paul Breitweiser
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Re: STM and nationals questions.
Gotta agree with Paul. JY convinced SCCA to include STM last year and it was a bust as far as participation when you consider the numbers that we typically have local.
Re: STM and nationals questions.
Local STM is run what you brung on street tires. No national class is similar to that ruleset.
As others mentioned, we lobbied national pretty heavily to include STM for the Match last year due to the numbers we have at our local events. It flopped.
I would say there is probably zero chance for STM at the Champ but if there is some sort of groundswell of STM guys that want to run the Match, we can ask national.
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As others mentioned, we lobbied national pretty heavily to include STM for the Match last year due to the numbers we have at our local events. It flopped.
I would say there is probably zero chance for STM at the Champ but if there is some sort of groundswell of STM guys that want to run the Match, we can ask national.
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Mark Pilson
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Re: STM and nationals questions.
It flopped because of the pax modifier that nationals imposed. It was too high and pretty much guaranteed no STM cars would get any elimination runs, making it not worth the trip for STM folks.... just sayin'.
- Dave Disney
Re: STM and nationals questions.
We did have 2 STM cars make it into a shootout at the match tour.
JY ( Jeff ) Cox
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Re: STM and nationals questions.
Here's the other thing with STM, now that they are on 200 TW tires they CAN run in the class that their car should/would be in if they ran in a national class and probably have a better pax in the national class.
JY ( Jeff ) Cox
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Re: STM and nationals questions.
as long as its not XP/SSM/FP/DP...etc. lol
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Re: STM and nationals questions.
Running STM was a waste of time. The live timing didn't work right and the event cost was over twice as much. It was a good experience but not one I'd be willing to do again in an STM car. It's all about that PAX.
The only reason the STM cars made it into the shootout was the amount of others that left, we had no chance based on our ability. It was pure luck they made it into the shootout.
I also think all of our cars are outside any street class. Maybe Joey could run in STU or STX, but the rest of us would be in a race tire class. Not complaining, just saying. I don't think people in STM really care about national level stuff anyway. It's a fun class with good local competition, nationals is such serious business it really took the fun out of it. It was still interesting to see how organized and efficient it was. Also the pointy end of SM/SSM was pretty cool.
The only reason the STM cars made it into the shootout was the amount of others that left, we had no chance based on our ability. It was pure luck they made it into the shootout.
I also think all of our cars are outside any street class. Maybe Joey could run in STU or STX, but the rest of us would be in a race tire class. Not complaining, just saying. I don't think people in STM really care about national level stuff anyway. It's a fun class with good local competition, nationals is such serious business it really took the fun out of it. It was still interesting to see how organized and efficient it was. Also the pointy end of SM/SSM was pretty cool.
Re: STM and nationals questions.
It seems that STM would be a better fit at a champ tour where there isn't pax to worry about...
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Re: STM and nationals questions.
We told me that to run STM a car had to meet rules for a class- any class.
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Re: STM and nationals questions.
Safety rules for the class it would fit in. Let's find something else to discuss for this years silly season. K thnksSeanDrives4Fun wrote:We told me that to run STM a car had to meet rules for a class- any class.
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Ted V.
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