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Re: Spring Nats

Post by thrdeye » Thu May 31, 2018 11:32 am

Having driven his car, I watched Kyle's vids and the courses seemed normal/typical/fine to me. Gate width seemed normal for national-style evnets. East course had a couple of sweepers that brought him down to 33-34 MPH, but with good risk reward. Especially on the second sweeper...big accel zone there he hit 55MPH. West had perhaps a tighter sweeper, but was probably more open otherwise.
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Re: Spring Nats

Post by Scoob » Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:01 am

FYI, on the visuals on the West course - they were bad, and even worse for the karts. I went off course on my first run because I looked ahead and missed the apex cone way down and saw the next one. I saw it after I'd turned but it was too late at that speed. At least it saved me from going over the big jump one time. Same jump from 2014 Nats and we had to slow way down for it else break something and get thrown off-line by 4-8 ft. All that space and they still manage to hit those big ramps...
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Re: Spring Nats

Post by eunos735 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 11:04 am

I do think they could use that space very differently. I'd LOVE to see the Pro Courses launch from the "Runway side" toward the "corn side" just to change it up.
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Re: Spring Nats

Post by jcox07 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:37 pm

You might just get to see that eric next year.
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Re: Spring Nats

Post by eunos735 » Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:41 pm

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Re: Spring Nats

Post by John Brown » Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:30 pm

I think its funny that this thread is so different than the article in my sports car issue tonight.. they are praising how great the two classes are doing. The two classes being SSC and CAM. Two ends of the spectrum. Yes.. they are. CAM came to life when courses were the fastest.. and I can't help but believe that the courses are slowing to promote SSC. It's like every issue or article is talking about how great SSC is... and we all know better.
I predict that if courses continue this back sliding.. CAM has no option but to whither away. Taking a tremendous amount of big CAM fields.. in lieu of dismal class numbers of SSC. But, I have been around and seen them all come and go with stupid classing games.. I'm really surprised the SSC pax has not been mid year adjusted.. but, the year isn't up yet.. lol
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Re: Spring Nats

Post by thrdeye » Fri Jun 01, 2018 7:54 pm

Personally PAX is a detriment to the sport. Yeah we have to do it for Pro, otherwise it's hard for folks to feel like it's fair in open classes but I almost wish pax would just die. It's not wrong but it certainly ain't right.

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Re: Spring Nats

Post by MARKP » Fri Jun 01, 2018 8:18 pm

My thought on PAX is 🤣.

Regarding courses, they have been a lot faster in recent years and they are fun in the Mustang. If they are going to dial back the speed, you will see a shift on what is competitive in the classes. Part of the reason the Celica is dead in GS is because of the speed.

CAM was created to go after the Good Guys types. Have you seen their courses? SCCA speeds would scare me if that was what I was used to.

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Re: Spring Nats

Post by John Brown » Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:14 pm

Seemed like all cars got faster in the last few years.. more torque ..more HP .. and life was good. Older cars lost any chance mostly.. not every event.
Pax, isn't the main subject of the post.. or the article.. CAM cars will prolly never be pax winners.
I just thought it was a funny story considering the disparity of national courses this year. SCCA praising their two golden kids.. but, building courses that may hurt one of them.. Courses can always be equal to fast, slow, small and large cars.. but, it takes an effort. Fun areas in either car.. and painful areas in both cars..
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Re: Spring Nats

Post by MikeKelly » Fri Jun 01, 2018 9:51 pm

May I add:

It's a very funny thing to me that scca can throw anything american (including kit cars) into three classes on street tires with pretty much no other rules (and that's a success story)...

And still needs 60 more classes to sort everything else out.

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Re: Spring Nats

Post by John Brown » Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:24 am

no.. Mike, I have thought the same thing! that is funny shit. hell.. ya need 3 classes just for the twins.. :lol:

maybe the old Trans Am ruleset is the way to go.. 3 classes. build your poison!
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Re: Spring Nats

Post by eunos735 » Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:57 am

I really don't understand why the SCCA is spending so much effort promoting classes which aren't even eligible for winning a National Championship.

You can't get away from conversation about CAM or SSC in SCCA publications.

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No less than 100 times (that is not even close to an exaggeration) did I have people come up to me at Spring Nationls and talk about how much they loved watching SSM run...that we were one of the most entertain classes in Solo.....Yet not once this year has SSM been mentioned in the SCCA "Fast Notes" recap of a National Event.
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Re: Spring Nats

Post by John Brown » Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:11 am

old cars Eric... no body cares about them.. no body gonna go out and buy one.. especially some young maygrowuptobeanautocrosser.. :lol:

has to be a new modern auto.. that hopefully has contributed lots of money to the cause. :|
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Re: Spring Nats

Post by steverife » Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:13 am

How many people per event do you need for your numbers to not be "dismal"?
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Re: Spring Nats

Post by John Brown » Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:15 am

depends. Id say from the way the class has been pushed, it should draw 60 cars per event.. 100 at Nats. :lol:

3,5,7,5 at the next 4 Nat events. Hardly 3,12,9,15 at the same events in CAM-C only
and what... 40 this weekend in Texas??

Tire Rack loves it Id imagine tho.
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