wow... just WOW...

[CaptJordi]

posted some pics on the facebook page this evening. Check them out and tag yourself!

[EliseAutoXr]

Any optiions for us NON-Facebook users?

[CaptJordi]

Any optiions for us NON-Facebook users?

yeah I'll get them up on the website tomorrow! I'll take the laptop to work and let them upload while I am "working"

[Josh_McCRX]

My photos will be on killboy.com tonight or tomorrow I hope. Also, Bradley... find a way to keep your front tires on the ground! I got a good shot of your driver front off the ground right before your big spin.

[thrdeye]

Lifting the front is a good thing. The bump upset the car, lost rear grip, and blammo. I did the same in the S2000. The turn was flat out, but I learned the hard way that it was not possible because of the bump unless you got the car straight and turned really late after the wallom.

[steverife]

Lifting the front is a good thing.

It is?

[Wheelman_13]

Lifting the front is a good thing.

It is?

For an mid-engined car it's fine.

It's kinda like a CRX cocking a leg, it's just that the front is the light end on a Lotus. "Tweety" used to do that all the time, as did my MR2. I don't think I've managed it in the NSX, but it's a bit wider and only on street tires.

[Josh_McCRX]

I guess I can see it being fine to lift one of the front tires but I don't know if I would say it's good. Seems like a lot of steering for one tire to do especially during an already upsetting moment for the car. Then again I'm not a pro haha.

[thrdeye]

Well, let me ask you guys this. How much weight should be on the inside front? Even on my WRX, it was so unloaded most of the time that it wasn't doing much of the turning at all.

If you ever see a BMW three wheel, it generally means they are putting down the power really well.

In my opinion, the primary rule of autocross is more time on throttle=less time on course. However you can get the car to allow that is good in my book.

[Josh_McCRX]

Yea, I started thinking about what I said and there really isn't much pressure being put on the opposing (to whatever direction you are turning) tire. So, I could guess it lifting a little wouldn't matter and would only being putting more pressure/traction on the back tires.

[steverife]

Lifting the front is a good thing.

It is?

For an mid-engined car it's fine.

It's kinda like a CRX cocking a leg, it's just that the front is the light end on a Lotus. "Tweety" used to do that all the time, as did my MR2. I don't think I've managed it in the NSX, but it's a bit wider and only on street tires.

I think the CRX lifting a rear is a bad thing.

[steverife]

Well, let me ask you guys this. How much weight should be on the inside front? Even on my WRX, it was so unloaded most of the time that it wasn't doing much of the turning at all.

If you ever see a BMW three wheel, it generally means they are putting down the power really well.

In my opinion, the primary rule of autocross is more time on throttle=less time on course. However you can get the car to allow that is good in my book.

Lifting the front is a byproduct of a good thing, but...

If the inside front is that unloaded, the rear is too soft or you are unloading/on the verge of unloading the inside rear.

[MikeKelly]

If the inside front is that unloaded, the rear is too soft or you are unloading/on the verge of unloading the inside rear.

The factory Porsche road race / hillclimb (911/930/etc) cars were / are almost always set up to lift the inside front on exit. I doubt anyone would beat the suspension setups the factory techs put on those cars (the factory did a whole lot of testing).

I doubt you'll ever catch a (fast) F1 / Indy / Porsche 917 set up to do that.

In an autocross with anything remotely streetable, many (if not most) of the fastest 2wd setups are going to lift a corner somewhere...

I have no opinion on AWD setups.

[steverife]

Yeah. I think it is inherent with most (all?) mid/rear engine stuff. Ultimately, I think you want as many wheels on the ground as possible without making other handling compromises.

[MikeKelly]

Ultimately, I think you want as many wheels on the ground as possible without making other handling compromises.

Agreed.

In that context, I think it serves as an indication that the setup left the drive end soft enough. As in - soft enough to apply maximum torque / hp on exit.

Using the other end for as much sway resistance as possible before you get into other problems.