SeDiv @ Smokies - July 25-27 - OFFICIAL Thread

[integra55]

What is the draw back from going to the format we used this event at the smokies? It rewards good driving and not just a single run.

I'm fine with it .. . I just think you're going to get some that don't like it …. especially with all the novices we get, who routinely have multiple DNF's

like I said .. I'm fine with it

[integra55]

so..
7.77 lbs/bhp Boss
7.06 Shelby
8.57 Suby

15.8 STS mazda.


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18.7 STS CRX … at least one as heavy as mine

[integra55]

As for the format, I think people like me that find 1-2 seconds from run 1 to 5 will not favor the cumulative times method. And get two runs with a cone, or worse yet, a DNF and you have no chance from that point on. Personally I rarely hit cones or DNF on more than one run if that, but many non-pros do. This would take a bit of fun out of Ax'ing, and that is the wrong direction to take our sport. Oh, and I would have lost one event that I won with a last "hero run" where I found 1.2 seconds.

I wager that you would have a hard time finding one single person that thought that format took some of the fun out of the event... May find one that might have finished better on another format... but no fun was lost on either day!

we found every last drop of it.

I have not looked.. but Curt didn't like the format.. don't know why,and I didn't look to see if he would have finished better on the 3 and done method either... anyone??

with single run format … I would have been 3rd day one, and 2nd day two … instead of 1st day one and 2nd day two… 2nd for the 2 days

[John Brown]

didn't change the outcome??

[dewittpayne]

that's still low isn't it? Dewhitt, you keep up with this some..

That's definitely low for an ETR course. The spec in Roger Johnson's course design manual is only 1 car in ten hitting a cone and no more than 4 cones/car. I'll check to see how close we were to those numbers. Since there were multiple cone hits on some runs, I suspect it was pretty close. In the first run group, the cones before and after the sweeper in the lower parking lot seemed to be the most vulnerable.

I'm assuming that the first number in the +x/y format is the cones hit and the second number is missed gates. I'm going to score each run individually as well as looking at the total.

[steverife]

I think it'd be cool once or twice a year. Every event? I want to try to make my flyers stick.

[KeithLoveday]

From a novice's perspective, this scoring is intimidating. My first 2ish runs are normally used(wasted) to get focused and make sure I understand the course from behind the wheel. I don't have the experience to walk a course, turn around, and lay down consistent laps. An example that would be frustrating is this:

Driver 1: 65.0 63.0 62.85 62.75 62.5
Driver 2: 65.0 63.0+1 62.5 62.4 62.0

Both drivers drop their slowest runs. 65s
Driver 1 Total: 251.1
Driver 2 Total: 249.9+2sec = 251.9

Driver 1 wins the day even though Driver 2 had 3 runs that are faster or equal to Driver 1's FTD. That would be pretty depressing I think.

Now did this happen or will this happen? I have no idea, but the fact that it COULD happen is something to think about.

With that said, I loved the event. It does promote consistency and clean runs. I think that is very beneficial to novices and Pros alike.

Maybe we could lower it to best 3 runs of the day or best 2 runs of the day. I feel like that would take some of the pressure off of people like me and still promote backing up your times with consistency.

However, I don't think it should become the standard. 1 maybe 2 events a season so everybody can feel like there was an "even" event in which their class wasn't won by "1 lucky run".

[backpacker6]

I didn't. JY.. did you? Darby.. did you sand bag on us?

That's BS. Rife if you had been there.. you would have drove just like you always do.. as hard as you can go. period.

Nope. I drove as hard as I could every run.

[John Brown]

I didn't. JY.. did you? Darby.. did you sand bag on us?

That's BS. Rife if you had been there.. you would have drove just like you always do.. as hard as you can go. period.

Nope. I drove as hard as I could every run.

yup. aint no holdin back in Pro Class. Aint a single one of us that dammd good to know that we aint gonna blow the next run.

[John Brown]

From a novice's perspective, this scoring is intimidating. My first 2ish runs are normally used(wasted) to get focused and make sure I understand the course from behind the wheel. I don't have the experience to walk a course, turn around, and lay down consistent laps. An example that would be frustrating is this:

Driver 1: 65.0 63.0 62.85 62.75 62.5
Driver 2: 65.0 63.0+1 62.5 62.4 62.0

Both drivers drop their slowest runs. 65s
Driver 1 Total: 251.1
Driver 2 Total: 249.9+2sec = 251.9

Driver 1 wins the day even though Driver 2 had 3 runs that are faster or equal to Driver 1's FTD. That would be pretty depressing I think.

Now did this happen or will this happen? I have no idea, but the fact that it COULD happen is something to think about.

With that said, I loved the event. It does promote consistency and clean runs. I think that is very beneficial to novices and Pros alike.

Maybe we could lower it to best 3 runs of the day or best 2 runs of the day. I feel like that would take some of the pressure off of people like me and still promote backing up your times with consistency.

However, I don't think it should become the standard. 1 maybe 2 events a season so everybody can feel like there was an "even" event in which their class wasn't won by "1 lucky run".

If driver 2 hits a cone at 63 seconds... he aint never gonna have a clean 62.

[dewittpayne]

Statistics:

The average number of drivers hitting cones on each run on day 1 was 9.4. With 69 drivers posting times, that's 13.6%. Not bad. The maximum number of cones hit by one driver on one run was 4. That happened three times in the five runs. Acceptable.

On day 2, the average was 6.2 of 70 or 8.9%. Good. The maximum number of cones hit by one driver on one run was 3 one time. Good. Fewer cones hit on Sunday was to be expected on a course with fewer twisty bits.

I counted 102 total cones hit, 66 on Saturday and 36 on Sunday. Any cones hit on the few DNF runs weren't listed so weren't counted.

33 drivers hit no cones on any run. 13 hit 1, 9 hit 2, 9 hit 3, 4 hit 4, 3 hit 5, 1 hit 6 and 1 hit 7 total cones.

[KeithLoveday]

If driver 2 hits a cone at 63 seconds... he aint never gonna have a clean 62.

Maybe not in the Pro class, but it's certainly possible. I think I danced a cone Day 2 Run 2 that luckily stayed in the box at 46.xx I finished run 5 with a 44.8

Look at the live results. http://live.etrscca.org/results_live.htm

I can find a few that +1'd and then went on to go 1 second faster clean.

ES 16 - Day 1
FS 71 - Day 1
GS 2 - Day 2

And none of the ST* (minus STC) classes are even shown so I'm sure there are more examples. So my example is valid.

Just trying to explain my perspective on it and why I like the event but don't think it should become a regular thing.

[NEVRLIFTLIN]

I'll say from the trailer, penalties seemed low. Only a few missed gates, and no on had more than one missed gate per day. It was rare that someone coned a "good" run.

95/660 and move yer decimal.

10% of 660 is 66

I had 4 cones on Day 1..... and I did cone on my fastest on Day 1....

[integra55]

didn't change the outcome??

not for me …. I'm pretty sure I'd have been in, or at least very close to 2nd overall if we'd done the hero lap thing … I'll have to check … I am sure that Lin would have still been the overall winner

[dewittpayne]

I'll say from the trailer, penalties seemed low. Only a few missed gates, and no on had more than one missed gate per day. It was rare that someone coned a "good" run.

95/660 and move yer decimal.

10% of 660 is 66

I had 4 cones on Day 1..... and I did cone on my fastest on Day 1....

Not according to the results on line. Your fastest run was your last run on each day and you were clean for those runs both days. 47.478 on Saturday and 44.258 on Sunday.