FS vs CAM-T

[jcoatney]

I have been looking for another autox car and the only thing that appeals to me right now is an 03-04 Cobra or Mach 1. If I am ever going to make it to an event in the next few years I need to be able to drive there and run and get home. I don't have time to work on anything or change tires and I need something with a back seat.

Are we going to be recognizing the CAM classes here and will they be able to compete in pro? Also wondering if you think these classes will be around for at least a couple of years, I got screwed with my last car purchase when R comps went away. It's very hard to find these cars stock, but I think they could be competitive in CAM-T. FS pax is .810 and CAM-T is .825 On a 60 second course that is 1.11 seconds different. I think that is completely doable when there are very little restrictions in CAM. I don't see why anyone in FS that is eligible wouldn't run in CAM, just for the sake of being able to run whatever wheels and tire size you wanted.

Any thoughts?

[Gen52SS]

New rules for CAM 2015

http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/ass ... ut%20b.pdf


TOPEKA, Kan. (Dec. 22, 2014) – Drivers of both contemporary and traditional muscle cars have a clearly defined place to push their cars to the limit in the upcoming Tire Rack SCCA Solo® season with the continuation of the Classic American Muscle category in 2015.
The category, which ran for the first time at the end of the 2014 season, was developed to provide a fun environment in which to put their muscle cars to the test. Only domestic cars of front-engine/rear wheel drive configuration or pickup trucks are allowed to compete under CAM regulations. In addition, all vehicles must be fully licensed, street legal and have a 'finished' look. Some modifications are allowed, but are only open to a few areas. Each of these cars will also be required to run on DOT-approved tires with a minimum UTQG treadwear of 200.
"The CAM concept was developed primarily as a tool for SCCA Regions to be able to attract this new group of autocrossers, whether they use the three National Solo classes or a single CAM class depending on local demand," Vice President of Rally/Solo Howard Duncan said. “In some areas of the country, CAM cars already make up nearly 10 percent of their entries and the potential for even more CAM drivers is significant."
The rule set will govern three national-level CAM classes. CAM-T (Traditional) is for sedans, designed to seat four adults, with body styles that originated from 1954-1972. CAM-C (Contemporary) is for sedans, designed to seat four adults, with body styles originating from 1978-present.
While the Traditional and Contemporary classes allow limited modifications, the CAM-S (Sports) class is more open. This class is for cars designed to seat at least two adults, with a minimum wheelbase of 90 inches. Examples of allowable modifications on these hotrods include the replacement of heavy side window glass and the removal of floor liners.
"The 2015 CAM rules were developed with the help of a number of folks from the muscle car autocross community," Duncan said. "We are confident they will serve this group well by providing a rule set that allows for creativity within defined boundaries for not only the traditional muscle cars, but also for the newer muscle cars that are being developed."
Regions are encouraged to offer this class as a stand-alone class for local meets, with the three supplemental classes available at all National Solo events. Details regarding the CAM specifications can be found at scca.com/solo.

[01badz28]

New rules for CAM 2015

http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/ass ... ut%20b.pdf


TOPEKA, Kan. (Dec. 22, 2014) – Drivers of both contemporary and traditional muscle cars have a clearly defined place to push their cars to the limit in the upcoming Tire Rack SCCA Solo® season with the continuation of the Classic American Muscle category in 2015.
The category, which ran for the first time at the end of the 2014 season, was developed to provide a fun environment in which to put their muscle cars to the test. Only domestic cars of front-engine/rear wheel drive configuration or pickup trucks are allowed to compete under CAM regulations. In addition, all vehicles must be fully licensed, street legal and have a 'finished' look. Some modifications are allowed, but are only open to a few areas. Each of these cars will also be required to run on DOT-approved tires with a minimum UTQG treadwear of 200.
"The CAM concept was developed primarily as a tool for SCCA Regions to be able to attract this new group of autocrossers, whether they use the three National Solo classes or a single CAM class depending on local demand," Vice President of Rally/Solo Howard Duncan said. “In some areas of the country, CAM cars already make up nearly 10 percent of their entries and the potential for even more CAM drivers is significant."
The rule set will govern three national-level CAM classes. CAM-T (Traditional) is for sedans, designed to seat four adults, with body styles that originated from 1954-1972. CAM-C (Contemporary) is for sedans, designed to seat four adults, with body styles originating from 1978-present.
While the Traditional and Contemporary classes allow limited modifications, the CAM-S (Sports) class is more open. This class is for cars designed to seat at least two adults, with a minimum wheelbase of 90 inches. Examples of allowable modifications on these hotrods include the replacement of heavy side window glass and the removal of floor liners.
"The 2015 CAM rules were developed with the help of a number of folks from the muscle car autocross community," Duncan said. "We are confident they will serve this group well by providing a rule set that allows for creativity within defined boundaries for not only the traditional muscle cars, but also for the newer muscle cars that are being developed."
Regions are encouraged to offer this class as a stand-alone class for local meets, with the three supplemental classes available at all National Solo events. Details regarding the CAM specifications can be found at scca.com/solo.

Thanks for posting, I must have missed it.

Glad the flying gas cans get their own class. Off to Cam - C I go.

[01badz28]

I have been looking for another autox car and the only thing that appeals to me right now is an 03-04 Cobra or Mach 1. If I am ever going to make it to an event in the next few years I need to be able to drive there and run and get home. I don't have time to work on anything or change tires and I need something with a back seat.

Are we going to be recognizing the CAM classes here and will they be able to compete in pro? Also wondering if you think these classes will be around for at least a couple of years, I got screwed with my last car purchase when R comps went away. It's very hard to find these cars stock, but I think they could be competitive in CAM-T. FS pax is .810 and CAM-T is .825 On a 60 second course that is 1.11 seconds different. I think that is completely doable when there are very little restrictions in CAM. I don't see why anyone in FS that is eligible wouldn't run in CAM, just for the sake of being able to run whatever wheels and tire size you wanted.

Any thoughts?

I'll be there for 2015 (non-pro). We already had the class last year. I'm tired of breaking shit on R compounds (hubs, engines, etc.). SM has kind of dried up locally, and I'm way to far gone to go back to ESP at this point.

[jcox07]

I don't see any reason that u can't run pro cam, how ever I am not too sure how competitive it will be in pro. I would be interested in seeing how it does though.

[dewittpayne]

You don't need R-comps to break suspension bits. I have a steering knuckle in two pieces that took out the rest of the right front suspension eventually. That was using Dunlop ZII's with a 200TW rating.

[jcoatney]

http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/ass ... ut%20b.pdf

Oops, CAM-C is what I meant. In the rules the rules are listed in the order of CAM-T, C, then S. When you look at the pax sheet it's in the order of CAM-C, T, then S. CAM-C has an even better pax of .816. There is also a gap from 1972 to 1978. Am I missing something or are there some misprints, why do the newer cars have an easier pax?

[RxCritical]

Why do the rules keep talking about sedans except for CAM-S. Does that mean all 2 doors are forced into CAM-S?

[TedV]

1972-78 was the emissions choking the ever loving poo out of cars so the muscle cars became boats with no power. Unless you opted for a Mustank 2 or Vega. V8 Pinto? I keep wondering how a CP car on street tires would do. Like I need more projects...

[Gen52SS]

I can see it being confusing if the car you get by chance is still stock and not tinkered with why not run F Street? with the. 810 pax? Some of the cars that play in CAM-C can be pretty stout. Maybe not so much at local events (Pellisippi ) but at others. Example you would be running against Mustang Laguna Seca the Boss can run in FS. ESP would be another option. Need more cars to play on regular basis in FS this season.

[dewittpayne]

Appendix B (the rules) does not contain the word 'sedan'. That's only in the press release. Elsewhere in the Solo rules it says that if a car comes with four seat belts, it's four passenger. Corvettes and Vipers need not apply for CAM-S, though. Since my Mustang was manufactured after 1978, has a wheelbase longer than 100 inches, a minimum weight of greater than 3000 lbs, and four seat belts, it would be CAM-C. Other than not gutting the car, and 200TW tires, it's pretty much run what you brung. A PAX of 0.816 with a fully tricked out suspension is quite attractive. Last year the FS PAX was 0.818. I could save a lot of money by mounting my not very worn ZII's on my 9.5 inch wheels and using my stock wheels for daily driving. I need to buy new daily drive tires soon anyway. The S on the DWS Conti's is gone and the W won't last much longer.

[jpvette]

Corvettes and vipers need not apply for cam-s ? '83 or older corvettes can play. It will need to go on a diet though.
Seems like cam-s is a catch all for car's under 3,000lb. Minimum 90", 2,350lbs , seats 2 or (more).

[dewittpayne]

According to theRuth 2015 PAX/RTP, the index for CAM-C is 0.830, not 0.816 and CAM-S is 0.836. CAM-T is 0.825. That still looks pretty attractive compared to spending $3500 on wheels, tires, trailer and trailer hitch to run in ESP, not to mention the PITA of changing tires at the event.

[jcoatney]

I have a printout from 12-3-14 that says .816 for CAM-C. The new number makes a lot more sense. That also makes me not want to run it if they are changing the numbers already and the season hasn't started. I'm still pretty bitter about r comps going away for stock class right after I bought "the car to have". I'm not sure what I will be in this season.

[Gen52SS]

I have a printout from 12-3-14 that says .816 for CAM-C. The new number makes a lot more sense. That also makes me not want to run it if they are changing the numbers already and the season hasn't started. I'm still pretty bitter about r comps going away for stock class right after I bought "the car to have". I'm not sure what I will be in this season.

I also had the same printout for CAM-C @.816.....so was it just a misprint? or an adjustment? to .830 what other choice is their? ESP @ .849...If the car is stock isn't this a no brainer FS .810 PAX or I'm I missing something still learning about car classing.