I cant believe there are idiots still out there trying to get Toyo Excluded...
News Flash! those folks suddenly have more than that to blame for "Talent Limitations" LOL!
Ill try the BFG (again) and the Toyo.... but seriously, if they are better than the Bridgestones..... Street Tarrz is gonna be paxing pretty high this year.
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John, for whatever reason there are folk out that that just "hate" the Toyo (the 195 to be precise) … mainly because they couldn't use them and were getting beaten by them (the tires … not the drivers … yeah … the tires to all the work .. *shrug*)
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integra55 wrote:John, for whatever reason there are folk out that that just "hate" Hoosier … mainly because they couldn't use them and were getting beaten by them (the tires … not the drivers … yeah … the tires to all the work .. *shrug*)
Ted, we're friends, lemmie say that first and foremost.
But it amazes me that with all of the data and information out there on the subject that you think competitiveness/wanting to trophy is the end all be all of why so many were proponents of that change.
Ryan and I have done three autox events on current tires and are at about 50 runs. Were we on Hoosiers, we'd already be looking at buying another set before Bowling Green on May 1-2. As it is, we are probably good until mid summer at least. Perhaps a little sooner if we want to switch to Bridgestones.
Additionally, you should look at STX times from Dixie and compare those to some of the R classes.
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I get about 100-120 runs out of my hohos and if you look at the money JB has spent on trying to find the right tire in sts to be able to compete for the win, you could buy almost 3 sets of hoosiers, which you don't have to test to see which one is better because a hoosier is a hoosier. I have been to many tour events and have seen many classes to include sts and stx and str coming to tours last year with 3-4 sets of wheels/tires. So thinking that street tired classes are going to be cheaper than hoosiers just doesn't always come true. If you want to win in racing, no matter what level of racing it is, you have to spend money. I am not saying that there is no place for street tires, but when it takes a good foothold and if it does the price of street tires will almost double, because when the tire companies feel like they have the upper hand that is when the prices will go up cause they know that the drivers will have to have said tire just like hoosier is said tire in r-comps.
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I have a lot of comments, but it has all be hashed out many times before. I'll run where I can find good competition and the cars meet my budget/needs.
My post was a dig at the SS cars that are more fun to drive and can be set up to work on the Ho-Hos. They got kicked in the nads when all stock are now street. I admit not all stock cars can get the setup to work on Hoosier. So yes, for the camber challenged cars street tires may withstand the abuse a little more.
The only thing street tire stock does is sell the perception of cost effective. The results will be the same. The people who previously did their homework to pick a car and set it up will still be beating others who can't spend the cash or time to test. You have been had by the perception of hope and change.
The "ban toyo!" And the resulting 200 tread wear is a farce. BFG has the rival and its preached as the tire.. See it works. (Except not on all cars.) Toyo changes to a 200 TW. "Ban Toyo!!". Now BFG releases an S compound. Which I bet they had last year and I bet select people had them to test with, you don't just squirt out a compound overnight. So again " Ban Toyo!!!". Wait.. What about these new compounds from BFG and Bridgestone that haven't even really hit the market and it is still "Ban Toyo!!!!". Y'all can't see this all is kind of rediculous?
steverife wrote:I have a lot of comments, but it has all be hashed out many times before. I'll run where I can find good competition and the cars meet my budget/needs.
Exactly. I never had fun driving a stock car except for a Lotus or Vette, so I say let the people who run that class select the rules. I find the tire war now going on kinda humorous.
All I know is this. I really like STS .. my car is easy on tires, and capable of winning on any given day. I don't think too much about the fact that Im on street tires.. (when Im on my game and the surface is good..its hard to tell)
But I hate the testing cost associated with it. It will be interesting to see which tire ends up KING... I cant see my cars attitude from the outside..but inside.. at Dixie.. it was hard to do any wrong.
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Really, the only downside to R1Rs is having to shave them. I'm sure there's a dozen people that send letters to the SEB every month..... "BAN DEM YOYO TARS, I DONT WANNA HAVE TO CUT OFF HALF THE TARS I JUST BOUGHT. PLEASE GIVE ME AND MINE AND EVERYONE ELSE A TROPHY, I PAY MY DUES FOR UPWARD RACIN'!" or something to that effect.
My prediction, R1Rs will be faster than the Bridgestones on concrete, especially Lincoln. However, I think it will be a wash on typical asphalt. I don't think the Z2 Star-Specs will be as fast as either. Please keep in mind, this is strictly for STS, the sizes they can run, and the cars in it. STX/STR/STU/STF will be completely different....... RS3 is king!
OH! almost forgot...... BFGs will shit a brick like last time.
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I hope they all 3 or 4 end up being really close.. cause then, it may come down to higher payouts to get their tire in the winners circle.
I mean.. after all,its all about the $MONEY$ ..right? LOL!
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TedV wrote:My post was a dig at the SS cars that are more fun to drive and can be set up to work on the Ho-Hos. They got kicked in the nads when all stock are now street. I admit not all stock cars can get the setup to work on Hoosier. So yes, for the camber challenged cars street tires may withstand the abuse a little more.
So you know that SS as it existed in years past is still around, right? They still get the crack....and it's called SSR. I hope SSR continues over the next several years.
LOL!
